When AI Safety Meets Silicon Valley Reality
What happens when an AI engineer raises safety concerns and gets fired days before a billion-dollar IPO? Today we dig into a bombshell lawsuit against xAI and SpaceX, Anthropic's controversial attempt to secretly sabotage AI researchers, and why OpenAI might be slashing prices in a race to the bottom. Plus, Apple's new Siri knows when to shut up, but Anthropic's latest model won't even answer basic biology questions. It's a wild day in AI land.
Stories Covered
xAI fired an engineer who raised alarms about Grok safety, new lawsuit claims
A former xAI engineer is suing the company and SpaceX, alleging he was terminated for raising safety concerns about the Grok AI model shortly before SpaceX's IPO.
Sources: TechCrunch
Anthropic Walks Back Policy That Could Have 'Sabotaged' AI Researchers Using Claude
Anthropic reversed a controversial policy after researcher backlash that would have secretly restricted Claude's ability to help develop competing AI models.
Sources: Wired, The Verge, TechCrunch, Google News AI
OpenAI mulls slashing prices as it competes with Anthropic for users: WSJ - CNBC
OpenAI is reportedly considering price cuts to compete more aggressively with Anthropic for users.
Sources: Google News AI, Wired, The Verge, TechCrunch
Claude Fable won't answer basic biology questions
Anthropic's newly released Claude Fable 5 model has limitations in answering basic biology questions despite being marketed as the company's most powerful widely available model.
Sources: The Verge, Wired, TechCrunch, Google News AI
Cybersecurity researchers aren't happy about the guardrails on Anthropic's Fable
Cybersecurity researchers are criticizing Anthropic's Claude Fable model for having overly restrictive safety guardrails that impede legitimate cybersecurity research.
Sources: TechCrunch, Wired, The Verge, Google News AI
Meta signs first AI data center deal in India with Reliance
Meta announced its first AI data center partnership in India with Reliance, featuring a 168-megawatt facility to support global AI computing infrastructure.
Sources: TechCrunch
Apple's new Siri AI knows when to shut up
Apple's new Siri AI assistant has been released and demonstrates improved capabilities, particularly in knowing when to provide concise responses.
Sources: The Verge
Jedify raises $24M to help companies arm AI agents with context on their business
Jedify raised $24 million in funding to provide AI agents with business context and operational knowledge for enterprises.
Sources: TechCrunch
Full Transcript
Alex Shannon: Genuine question - if you discovered your company was about to IPO and they fired you days beforehand for raising AI safety concerns, would you lawyer up?
Sam Hinton: Oh absolutely. I mean, that’s not just wrongful termination territory, that’s like whistleblower protection stuff. Why, what happened?
Alex Shannon: Because that’s exactly what allegedly went down at xAI, and now there’s a lawsuit that names both xAI and SpaceX. And the timing is just…
Sam Hinton: Wait, SpaceX too? Dude, that’s a billion-dollar problem right there.
Alex Shannon: Right? And this is just one of several stories today that makes you wonder if we’re seeing some cracks in how these AI companies handle internal dissent.
Alex Shannon: You’re listening to Build By AI, I’m Alex Shannon, and what a day to be covering AI news.
Sam Hinton: And I’m Sam Hinton. Today we’ve got lawsuits, policy reversals, price wars, and AI models that apparently can’t handle basic biology questions. It’s like the entire industry decided to have a meltdown simultaneously.
Alex Shannon: Plus some actually positive news about Apple’s Siri and Meta’s expansion into India. But yeah, let’s dive into the chaos first.
Sam Hinton: Let’s do it.
xAI fired an engineer who raised alarms about Grok safety, new lawsuit claims
Alex Shannon: Alright, so starting with that lawsuit we teased. Early reports suggest that a former xAI engineer is suing both xAI and SpaceX, claiming he was terminated for raising safety concerns about the Grok AI model. And here’s the kicker - this allegedly happened just days before SpaceX’s historic IPO.
Sam Hinton: Okay, that’s a huge deal because the timing is just too convenient, right? Like, you don’t fire someone for safety concerns days before an IPO unless you’re worried those concerns might mess with your valuation.
Alex Shannon: Right, and I’m curious why SpaceX is named in the lawsuit alongside xAI. What’s the connection there that makes both companies liable?
Sam Hinton: Well, think about it - Musk owns both companies, and if there was pressure from the SpaceX side to silence safety concerns that might hurt the IPO, that could make SpaceX directly involved in the wrongful termination. It’s like, if your sister company’s IPO depends on keeping AI safety issues quiet, that’s a massive conflict of interest.
Alex Shannon: But hold on, let’s play devil’s advocate here. We only have one side of the story right now. Could this just be a disgruntled employee trying to cash in on a high-profile IPO moment?
Sam Hinton: Sure, that’s always possible. But here’s what worries me - even if this particular case doesn’t hold up, it highlights a real structural problem. When you have AI companies that are also tied to massive IPO valuations, the incentives to downplay safety concerns become enormous.
Alex Shannon: And the IPO context makes this so much more complicated. IPO roadshows are all about presenting the rosiest possible picture to investors. If an engineer is internally raising flags about potential safety issues with your flagship AI model, that’s exactly the kind of thing that could derail investor confidence.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And here’s what’s really wild - we’re talking about Grok specifically. That’s xAI’s main product, right? So if there are legitimate safety concerns about Grok, that’s not some side project issue. That’s a fundamental question about the company’s core offering.
Alex Shannon: Right, and for anyone who’s been following AI safety discussions, this kind of scenario has been predicted for a while. You’ve got companies racing to deploy AI systems, massive financial pressures, and then internal voices saying ‘hold up, maybe we should think about this more.’
Sam Hinton: And what message does this send to other AI engineers at other companies? Like, if you see something concerning internally, are you going to speak up if you know it might cost you your job right before a major financial event?
Alex Shannon: That’s the chilling effect that really worries me. And the legal landscape for AI safety whistleblowers is still pretty murky. Traditional whistleblower protections weren’t really designed with AI safety concerns in mind.
Sam Hinton: Plus, this is all allegedly happening in the context of a historic IPO. We’re not talking about some small startup here. SpaceX going public is a massive financial event, and if safety concerns about a related company’s AI could impact that…
Alex Shannon: The stakes just get enormous. And that’s what makes me think this case could set really important precedents. If the engineer’s claims hold up, it could establish some important protections for AI safety concerns in corporate settings.
Sam Hinton: But it also raises questions about corporate structure. Should companies with different business models be so closely tied together that safety concerns in one can impact financial events in another?
Alex Shannon: That’s a great point. And for folks working in AI right now, this is probably making them think really carefully about how they document and raise internal concerns. Because clearly, the way you handle these situations can have major legal implications.
Sam Hinton: And if confirmed, this could set a precedent for how AI safety whistleblowers are protected. Because right now, there’s not a lot of legal framework for this stuff.
Alex Shannon: Keep an eye on this one because if the lawsuit gains traction, it could reshape how AI companies handle internal safety discussions, especially when there’s big money on the line.
Anthropic Walks Back Policy That Could Have ‘Sabotaged’ AI Researchers Using Claude
Alex Shannon: Speaking of companies handling criticism, Anthropic just had to do a major walk-back after getting called out by researchers. They had implemented a policy that would have secretly limited Claude’s ability to help researchers develop competing AI models. After public backlash, they reversed course completely.
Sam Hinton: Wait, secretly? So Claude would have just been worse at helping with AI research and users wouldn’t have known why? That’s like Google secretly making search results worse for queries about Bing. That’s not just anti-competitive, it’s deceptive.
Alex Shannon: Exactly. And what’s interesting is that they actually listened to the researcher backlash and reversed it. But it makes you wonder - how many policies like this exist that we don’t know about?
Sam Hinton: Dude, that’s the scary part. Like, AI models are already black boxes to most users. If companies start secretly crippling capabilities based on competitive concerns, how would we even know? It’s not like Claude comes with a changelog that says ‘oh by the way, we made this worse at helping you build competing products.’
Alex Shannon: And the research community’s reaction was swift and fierce. This wasn’t just some casual complaint - researchers were genuinely angry about what they saw as a betrayal of trust.
Sam Hinton: Right, because researchers rely on these tools for legitimate scientific work. If you’re using Claude to help understand machine learning concepts or debug code for your research, you expect it to give you its best effort, not some secretly neutered version.
Alex Shannon: But here’s the counterargument - shouldn’t Anthropic have some say in whether their model gets used to build direct competitors? I mean, that’s their business model being undermined.
Sam Hinton: No, see, I think that’s backwards thinking. If you’re selling an AI assistant, it should be the best assistant it can be, period. The moment you start secretly limiting capabilities for business reasons, you’re not selling AI anymore, you’re selling a deliberately crippled product.
Alex Shannon: Okay, but let’s think about this from Anthropic’s perspective for a second. They’re spending millions of dollars training these models, and then researchers potentially use those models to build competing systems. How do you balance open science with business sustainability?
Sam Hinton: That’s a fair question, but I think the answer isn’t secret sabotage. If you have concerns about how your model is being used, be transparent about it. Have clear terms of service, maybe different pricing tiers, but don’t secretly make your product worse.
Alex Shannon: And the secrecy aspect is what really bothers people. If Anthropic had said upfront ‘hey, we’re going to limit Claude’s ability to help with competing AI development,’ at least users could make informed decisions.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. It’s the difference between setting boundaries and being deceptive. And for a company that positions itself as being ethical and transparent about AI, this feels like a major contradiction.
Alex Shannon: Fair point. And the research community definitely has legitimate concerns here. If every AI company starts implementing secret restrictions, it could really slow down the pace of AI research overall.
Sam Hinton: Right, and the fact that they reversed it shows they know it was wrong. But this whole episode makes me wonder what other secret limitations are built into these models that we just accept as normal.
Alex Shannon: And it raises questions about trust more broadly. If companies are willing to secretly limit capabilities for competitive reasons, what else might they be doing that we don’t know about?
Sam Hinton: That’s the thing - once you break trust like this, it makes people suspicious about everything else. Like, when Claude gives a weird or unhelpful response, users are now going to wonder if it’s because of some hidden business logic rather than a genuine limitation.
Alex Shannon: For researchers using Claude, this is a win. But it’s also a reminder to pay attention to when AI models seem unexpectedly limited in specific areas.
OpenAI mulls slashing prices as it competes with Anthropic for users: WSJ - CNBC
Alex Shannon: Now let’s talk about what might be driving some of these competitive pressures. Multiple sources are reporting that OpenAI is considering slashing prices to compete more aggressively with Anthropic for users. This feels like the beginning of an AI price war.
Sam Hinton: Yeah, this is huge because it suggests that the market for AI services is getting really competitive really fast. Like, OpenAI has been the dominant player, and if they’re feeling enough pressure to cut prices, that means Anthropic and others are actually winning customers.
Alex Shannon: Right, and this connects to that policy reversal we just talked about. Anthropic is clearly being aggressive in going after OpenAI’s market share. But is a price war actually good for anyone here?
Sam Hinton: Short term, it’s great for users, right? Cheaper AI services means more people can afford to experiment with this stuff. But long term, I’m a bit worried because these companies need revenue to fund the massive compute costs for training better models.
Alex Shannon: That’s a really good point. If everyone’s racing to the bottom on price, where does the money come from for the next generation of AI development? These training runs cost tens of millions of dollars.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And here’s what worries me most - if companies can’t make money on their current models, they might start looking for other ways to monetize, like selling user data or putting ads in AI responses. I’d rather pay a fair price for a clean service.
Alex Shannon: But couldn’t this also drive innovation? Like, if you can’t compete on price, you have to compete on capability or unique features? Maybe price pressure forces companies to actually differentiate their products.
Sam Hinton: Sure, that’s the optimistic view. But it could also lead to corners being cut on safety or testing. When you’re in a price war, the pressure is always to ship faster and cheaper.
Alex Shannon: And there’s an interesting timing aspect here. OpenAI is reportedly considering price cuts right as they’re facing questions about their business model sustainability. They’ve raised billions but they’re also spending billions on compute.
Sam Hinton: Right, and Anthropic has been positioning itself as having better safety measures and more thoughtful development. If they can offer similar capabilities at competitive prices, that’s a compelling value proposition for enterprise customers.
Alex Shannon: Plus, enterprise customers are probably more willing to switch providers than we might think. If you’re integrating AI into your business processes, cost is a huge factor, especially at scale.
Sam Hinton: And switching costs aren’t as high as they might be in other software categories. If you’re using an AI service through an API, moving to a different provider might just be changing a few lines of code.
Alex Shannon: That’s a great point. It’s not like switching your entire CRM system. The APIs are relatively standardized, so the barrier to switching is lower.
Sam Hinton: Which means customer loyalty is probably pretty thin. If Anthropic can offer equivalent performance at 20% less cost, why wouldn’t you switch? And OpenAI probably knows this.
Alex Shannon: But here’s what I’m curious about - are we looking at a race to commoditization? Like, if all these models become roughly equivalent in capability and they’re all competing on price, does AI become just another utility service?
Sam Hinton: That’s possible, and honestly, that might not be a bad thing for most users. If AI becomes as reliable and affordable as electricity or internet service, that opens up a lot of possibilities for innovation on top of it.
Alex Shannon: For businesses trying to decide between AI providers, this is probably good news in the short term. But keep an eye on the quality and reliability as these price pressures mount.
Claude Fable won’t answer basic biology questions
Alex Shannon: And speaking of quality issues, let’s talk about Anthropic’s newly released Claude Fable 5. Multiple sources confirm it’s being marketed as their most powerful widely available model, but apparently it won’t answer basic biology questions. Users are reporting some pretty fundamental limitations.
Sam Hinton: Wait, basic biology questions? Like, what are we talking about here - it won’t explain photosynthesis or it won’t help with homework? Because there’s a big difference between being cautious and being useless.
Alex Shannon: That’s what I want to understand too. And this is happening at the same time as that policy reversal we discussed. It feels like Anthropic is really struggling to find the right balance between safety and utility.
Sam Hinton: You know what this reminds me of? It’s like having a brilliant research assistant who refuses to discuss anything that might be slightly controversial. At some point, the caution becomes more of a problem than the risks you’re trying to avoid.
Alex Shannon: But here’s the thing - Anthropic has always positioned itself as the safety-first AI company. Maybe this is just them being consistent with their values, even if it makes the model less useful?
Sam Hinton: Okay, but basic biology isn’t exactly dangerous territory. I mean, this stuff is taught in high schools. If your AI model can’t handle high school biology, how is it supposed to be useful for actual research or education?
Alex Shannon: And that’s where I’m confused about the positioning. They’re calling this their most powerful widely available model, but if it can’t handle basic biology questions, what exactly makes it more powerful? Is it just better at creative writing and coding?
Sam Hinton: Right, it’s like advertising a sports car that can go 200 mph but won’t drive in residential neighborhoods. Like, what’s the practical use case if the safety restrictions are so broad?
Alex Shannon: And the timing is interesting, right? They’re releasing their most powerful model while OpenAI is considering price cuts. If that model is too restricted to be useful, it doesn’t matter how powerful the underlying tech is.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And from a competitive standpoint, this seems like a really bad move. If users try Claude Fable 5 and it won’t answer their biology questions, they’re just going to go to ChatGPT or another model that will.
Alex Shannon: But maybe there’s something we’re missing about the specific biology restrictions. Could this be about bioweapons concerns or something more serious than just general biology education?
Sam Hinton: Maybe, but if that were the case, you’d expect the restrictions to be more targeted. Like, refusing to help with genetic engineering or toxin production makes sense. Refusing to explain basic cellular respiration does not.
Alex Shannon: And it raises broader questions about how these safety guardrails get implemented. Are they using broad keyword filters? Is there human review involved? The implementation details really matter here.
Sam Hinton: Right, and this ties back to that competitive pressure we were talking about. If customers switch to OpenAI because Claude won’t answer their questions, all the safety measures in the world won’t matter if you lose market share.
Alex Shannon: Plus, there’s an educational impact here. If students and researchers can’t use Claude for legitimate biology questions, that limits the tool’s usefulness for learning and discovery.
Sam Hinton: And honestly, it makes me wonder if Anthropic is being overly conservative because they’re worried about regulatory backlash. Like, are they restricting biology questions because they’re concerned about future government oversight?
Alex Shannon: That’s possible, but if so, it seems like a strategy that could backfire. If your model is so restricted that it’s not useful for basic educational purposes, that’s not going to look good to regulators or users.
Sam Hinton: For users considering Claude Fable 5, you might want to test it with your specific use cases before committing. The power is apparently there, but the guardrails might be too restrictive for some applications.
Cybersecurity researchers aren’t happy about the guardrails on Anthropic’s Fable
Alex Shannon: Related to that, cybersecurity researchers are specifically calling out Claude Fable for having overly restrictive guardrails that prevent legitimate cybersecurity work.
Sam Hinton: Oh man, that’s a real problem because cybersecurity research often involves understanding attack vectors and vulnerabilities. If the AI won’t discuss those concepts, it’s basically useless for the people trying to keep our systems safe.
Alex Shannon: It’s like having a medical AI that won’t discuss diseases because they’re harmful. Sometimes you need to understand the bad stuff to prevent it.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And cybersecurity researchers are not random hackers - these are the good guys trying to find and fix problems before the bad guys exploit them.
Alex Shannon: Plus, cybersecurity is such a rapidly evolving field. If researchers can’t use AI tools to help analyze new threats and vulnerabilities, that could actually make all of us less safe.
Sam Hinton: Right, and this is where overly broad safety measures can actually create safety risks. If the defensive cybersecurity community can’t effectively use these tools, but bad actors find ways around the restrictions, that’s backwards.
Alex Shannon: And the fact that cybersecurity researchers are publicly calling this out suggests this isn’t just a minor inconvenience - it’s genuinely hampering their work.
Sam Hinton: It makes you wonder if Anthropic consulted with the cybersecurity community before implementing these guardrails, or if they just applied broad restrictions without considering the legitimate use cases.
Meta signs first AI data center deal in India with Reliance
Alex Shannon: On a more positive note, early reports suggest Meta has signed its first AI data center deal in India with Reliance. We’re talking about a 168-megawatt facility that can be expanded over time.
Sam Hinton: That’s smart positioning by Meta. India has a huge developer community and growing demand for AI services, plus the infrastructure costs are probably much lower than building in the US or Europe.
Alex Shannon: And 168 megawatts is no joke - that’s serious computing power. This feels like Meta is making a real bet on AI demand in Asia.
Sam Hinton: Plus working with Reliance gives them local expertise and regulatory cover. This could be the first of many such deals as AI companies look to expand globally.
Alex Shannon: The expansion aspect is interesting too. Starting with 168 megawatts but having room to grow suggests they’re planning for significant scaling based on demand.
Sam Hinton: And from a geopolitical standpoint, this helps Meta diversify their infrastructure beyond just US and European data centers. That’s probably smart risk management given all the regulatory uncertainty.
Alex Shannon: Plus, India’s regulatory environment for AI is still developing, so getting in early with a major local partner like Reliance could give Meta some influence in how those policies shape up.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And if this works well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see other AI companies following with similar partnerships across other emerging markets.
Apple’s new Siri AI knows when to shut up
Alex Shannon: Here’s some actually refreshing AI news - Apple’s new Siri AI is now available and apparently it knows when to give concise responses instead of rambling on.
Sam Hinton: Finally! I cannot tell you how many times current Siri gives me a five-minute explanation when I just wanted a simple yes or no answer. If Apple figured out conversational efficiency, that’s genuinely impressive.
Alex Shannon: It’s funny how ‘knowing when to shut up’ is actually a sophisticated AI capability. Most models default to being verbose.
Sam Hinton: Right, it shows Apple is thinking about user experience, not just raw capability. Sometimes the best AI response is the shortest one.
Alex Shannon: And this fits with Apple’s general design philosophy - they’re usually more focused on refinement and user experience than on being first to market with flashy features.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. While everyone else is racing to make their AI models more chatty and human-like, Apple is focusing on making them more useful and respectful of your time.
Alex Shannon: It’s also interesting timing - launching this right when other AI companies are dealing with guardrail controversies. Apple’s approach of ‘we just work better’ is looking pretty appealing.
Sam Hinton: And for daily use, this could be a huge advantage. I don’t need my AI assistant to be my best friend - I need it to be efficient and helpful. If Apple nailed that balance, they could really differentiate themselves.
Jedify raises $24M to help companies arm AI agents with context on their business
Alex Shannon: And wrapping up our funding news, early reports suggest Jedify raised $24 million in Series funding to help arm AI agents with business context. Norwest led the round with participation from Snowflake Ventures and others.
Sam Hinton: Okay, that’s actually addressing a real pain point. Most AI models are great at general knowledge but terrible at understanding your specific business processes and data. If Jedify can solve that integration problem, $24 million might be a bargain.
Alex Shannon: And having Snowflake as a strategic investor makes sense - they’re all about data infrastructure, so this feels like a natural partnership.
Sam Hinton: Yeah, this is the kind of B2B AI tooling that might not make headlines but could actually be really valuable for enterprises trying to deploy AI agents effectively.
Alex Shannon: The business context problem is huge - you can have the most powerful AI model in the world, but if it doesn’t understand your company’s specific processes, terminology, and data, it’s not going to be that useful.
Sam Hinton: Right, and this could be especially valuable as companies move beyond simple chatbots to more autonomous AI agents. Those agents need deep business context to make good decisions.
Alex Shannon: Plus, with all the competitive pressure we’ve been discussing, having better business integration could be a real differentiator for companies deploying AI internally.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And the fact that they raised a substantial round suggests there’s real investor confidence that this enterprise AI tooling market is going to be huge.
BIGGER PICTURE
Alex Shannon: If you zoom out and look at everything we covered today, there’s a really interesting pattern emerging around AI companies struggling with internal and external pressures.
Sam Hinton: Yeah, it’s like the industry is hitting some growing pains all at once. You’ve got safety concerns leading to lawsuits, competitive pressure driving policy reversals and price cuts, and models that are either too restricted or not restricted enough depending on who you ask.
Alex Shannon: And what strikes me is how much of this comes down to transparency. The xAI lawsuit, Anthropic’s secret policy, Claude’s unexplained limitations - users and researchers are demanding more openness about how these systems work and why decisions are made.
Sam Hinton: Right, and I think we’re seeing the end of the era where AI companies could just say ‘trust us, we know best.’ Whether it’s safety, pricing, or capabilities, people want to understand the reasoning behind the restrictions.
Alex Shannon: The question is whether this leads to more transparency or just better PR. Because some of these issues - like the secret policy restrictions - only came to light because researchers pushed back publicly.
Sam Hinton: That’s why I think this period of competitive pressure might actually be healthy for the industry. When companies are fighting for users, they can’t afford to be as opaque or arbitrary as they might want to be.
Alex Shannon: And you see that playing out differently across companies. Apple is focusing on user experience improvements, Meta is expanding infrastructure globally, while OpenAI and Anthropic are locked in this competitive battle that’s forcing them to reconsider policies and pricing.
Sam Hinton: Right, and that diversity of approaches is probably good for the ecosystem overall. We don’t want one company or one philosophy dominating the entire AI landscape.
Alex Shannon: But there’s also this tension between moving fast and being careful. The companies that are being more aggressive about deployment and pricing might gain market share, while companies being more cautious about safety might lose users to competitors.
Sam Hinton: And that’s where the regulatory environment becomes really important. If there aren’t good incentives for companies to prioritize safety and transparency, market forces alone might not be enough.
Alex Shannon: Plus, we’re seeing how financial pressures - like IPOs and funding rounds - can create conflicts with safety considerations. That xAI lawsuit, if the allegations are true, is a perfect example of those tensions playing out.
Sam Hinton: And for people working in AI right now, all of this probably feels pretty intense. You’re dealing with cutting-edge technology, massive business pressures, unclear regulations, and public scrutiny all at the same time.
Alex Shannon: Which brings us back to that transparency point. The more these companies operate in secrecy, the more likely we are to see conflicts and controversies. Whereas companies that are upfront about their limitations and decision-making processes tend to maintain more trust.
Sam Hinton: Exactly. And I think we’re going to see more of these kinds of stories as the industry matures. The honeymoon period where everyone just trusted AI companies to figure things out is definitely over.
OUTRO
Alex Shannon: Alright, that’s a wrap on today’s episode. Lots of moving pieces in the AI world, and it feels like we’re watching the industry mature in real time.
Sam Hinton: Yeah, some growing pains for sure, but also some genuinely positive developments. If you’re finding these daily deep dives helpful, definitely subscribe so you don’t miss the next developments in these ongoing stories.
Alex Shannon: Absolutely. We’ll be back tomorrow with whatever chaos the AI industry serves up next. See you then.